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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.15 21:33:00 -
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EVE: In development: EXPLORING THE CHARACTER BAZAAR & SKILL TRADING
Sounds a bit like a post I brought forward a long while back.
[Idea] Use District Kredits or AUR to sell chunks of your unallocated skill points
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:31:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:EDIT:
After studying it a bit more in depth the ability to create farm characters here is going to be crazy. I would not call this game breaking or even an exploit as it feeds CCP cash as well as gives players an amazing amount of freedom in New Eden that is unlike anything ever before. I have to give huge props on this one to CCP. Another great thing here is it almost entirely eliminates the need for name changes and what not as you can essentially give transfer all your skills over to a new character.
The face of Eve Online is about to get incredibly shifted from top to bottom and I for one absolutely can not wait. And suddenly millions of inactive multi-box miner accounts cried out as they were cannibalized for SP to recoup the losses of their overlord.
I am looking forward to word of CCP bringing this system to Dust. We're running into the limited issue of players reaching the skill cap within the next few months to a year.
Here's a video of a Dust player with 200 million SP posted in July. https://youtu.be/_7aVXN3le10
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:49:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:With that system, I could imagine a legion of alts farming SP and skills for a month then transferring them at once to same dude, giving him years of SP in one go.
There goes down the drain any game with intent to have multi-year progress of a skill tree. Under the current proposal in EVE you can't extract skills off 'under 5 million sp' characters, and, there are very high diminishing returns for SP plugged into already high SP characters.
Additionally, the alt farmers has to 1.) pay ISK or $ to maintain farm accounts and 2.) pay AUR for the skill extractor--there is not an ISK equivalent to that current.
This makes CCP a nice chunk of change too.
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:52:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Should we have this in Dust? Not sure. It would certainly help established players roll up effective alts faster, not sure if that's a good thing though. For most of the mercs that have the SP to spare, ISK is already fairly meaningless. New players wouldn't be able to afford the packets as there's no way for them to get large chunks of ISK quickly. It might work for them as a direct Aurum -> Aurum trade but I doubt CCP would go there, and I wouldn't blame them. Vets might not care about ISK, however, Skill packet injections can be a good incentive tool for corp recruitment, items trades, and even various sca...erm lotteries!
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.16 00:39:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Notice how utterly **** on it is on the Comments thread. There's no way this will actually happen. The Eve vocal minority doesn't always like change. CCP appears to be looking to options to use players as recruiters via skill transfers to bring new players into EVE. Subscription numbers are they lowest they've been since 2008.
Get people into the big sandbox faster.
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.16 01:57:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote: That means allowing people to buy Skillpoints, which is blatant pay-to-win in what is already a pay-to-play game.
That's unacceptable.
HOWEVER, I'm not one to go screaming at people for trying new ideas. Every now and then people come up with bad ones and that's normal.
Even if you have the 'sp' to fly a big ship, it doesn't necessarily mean you have the 'skill' to fly it.
How is it pay-to-win if you can convert plex to AUR already?
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Aurum
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.16 02:06:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Also, there's no vocal minority in this. That Comments thread is already 61 pages long and counting, and almost everything I've read is by different individual accounts. There's barely anyone that's stated support for this idea. Threadnaught alt posting is a thing. The EVE community is very good at it.
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.16 02:13:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:That makes sense.
If Dust has a future wouldn't mind something like that. Corporations would be able to bring along a noob pretty quick. Can you imagine the butthurt over a player getting up to 20 mil SP and then leaving Corp? Or imagine the devastation of an 'honest and upstanding' corp logistics officer put in charge of holding and distributing Transneural Skill Packets to corp newbies...dropping roles and leaving with the message.
"It's been fun. HTFU."
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.16 03:28:00 -
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@Maken
You knew exactly how you were phrasing it.
http://katahu.deviantart.com/art/Rebellion01-492312197
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:04:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:Think of it as pumping a pressure container. The higher the initial pressure (more SP) the more force (time) it will take to raise it further. A low SP character might inject the SP within a few days, but with 80+ Mil character it will take months.
Now, combine this with changing the proposed skill injector to a neural implant (with no skill requirement), and you have a very interesting system. Neural Implants are destroyed upon clone death in EVE, so it becomes increasingly risky to wear one for a prolonged time in EVE. Looking at the discussions on character attribute/skill implants being removed I kind of think CCP wants to avoid superficial systems which discourage players from undocking.
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.17 00:06:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:The definition of 'pay-to-win' seems to continuously change to support BS like this... Never fails...
Give it another year or so and someone will just outright propose the purchase of SP for Aurum with no fancy mechanics like transferring in the mix. You just throw $5 and buy the SP. Not pay to win because #reasons. Next thing you know everyone and their mother that has money can fly Titans after three months and the entire aspect of choices and decisions mattering in the long term goes out the window. Specialization becomes a myth, just like in Dust 514 (like, seriously, there's no such thing as specialization when you can run every light/medium/heavy with every module, equipment, and weapon).
Makes you wonder what the point of skills are at all if not to be a barrier between players who do pay and players who don't pay. At some point you have to wonder why even have the skills if everyone can fly everything.
Dust 514 instituted the foundation for it and now Eve Online is wanted to ride that pony. But yanno, not PTW so no big deal. Nothing is lost save for the core principles which made the game popular for over a decade. Cool it Aeon. You're jumping to the conclusion of a slippery slope that isn't there.
You can already buy full characters through the character bazaar; this granular transfer system allow you to maintain your own profile that you've built a connection while augmenting it with the skill resources that other players have had to build up. The SP loss sink becomes larger and larger as you apply skill packets to a high level character.
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.17 00:07:00 -
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/156e2QWHKguiwQod9FAl1IpBEqcF8hwPC_msCFYK-WUA/edit
Ashterothi wrote:CCP has announced a new proposed feature that would allow players to sell SP to each other, the cost of this transaction will be some Aurum.
First of all, let's discuss what this change does NOT do. It does not change the level of GÇ£pay 2 winGÇ¥ or GÇ£free 2 playGÇ¥ nature of the game. The character market already exists, and so does PLEX. This does not grant anyone any new access to power that they did not already have access to in order to convert real life money into in game power. What this does do is it allows it to be done more conveniently, over time, and in smaller amounts. This does not actually compound any problems with p2w that other games experience, because no new avenue of power is being created, what this allows is more access, and more understanding of that process.
However, what this change does do is allow players to invest their power in what they care about.
Now I know, a lot of you vets understand that our ships are our tools, and our characters are just tools to access our other tools. That the game is played by players, not characters. You have to shake that feeling off, and realize the customer this is being sold to. Because, this side of it ainGÇÖt for you.
I have always made a hobby of recruiting people into EVE. I am very passionate about it, so tolerating me for any real length of time generally requires you to know enough about EVE to have a) heard about it to any length you desire and b) gotten a trial account and anything you want and personally lead through the game if you so desire (I am a bit over-zealous I am afraid). However, thanks to this and my love for newbies in general, I have kept a pretty good pulse on why people quit the game, and what I have found is very large percent of players quit because they want to advance faster, are willing to pay for it, but donGÇÖt want to give up their identity.
We arenGÇÖt talking about huge claims for power either, some people would be willing to pay the price of a game (50 bucks) to buy enough SP to get started. A few million SP to allocate to ensure you can at least pull your weight with your buddy, nothing wrong with that. The problem they all run into is that buying a character on the market is too impersonal for these people. They are not attached to the game yet. Their whole attachment is their character. The first thing they did was painstakingly chose a race, bloodline, school, and sculpted every contour of their skeleton until it was perfect. Now, drop him, pay 50 bucks and buy xXMOMhumperSS from the market. I know he has corp history that is suspicious, but that is why he is so cheap. And that is when you lost them.
This change allows those wish to invest in their own identity a chance to compete with those who couldnGÇÖt care. The pricing will be prohibitive to make a profit off the system, the price of aurum can dictate the value of the product vs. PLEX, and they will ensure you cannot sell your SP for greater than the cost to have an account long enough to earn that SP.
There are some funny things to be sure, like what happens when a hacked account gets sold in parts, and applied, those skills then are used to fly a ship. Then that SP is taken away, what happens? However, these are just design concerns that can easily be worked out. CCP has given us the power to finally shave off those cruddy mining skills we accidentally trained when we didnGÇÖt know better, and also allow new players to step up to the plate just a little bit quicker. What's to hate?
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.10.17 00:44:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Pure evil nonsense.
This feature will die before they even start work on it. Buy/sell one's organs on the open market...it sounds very EVE to me. In CCP Seagull we trust!
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